JJ Hardy to Twins for Carlos Gomez

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stalton		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 84 November 6, 2009 11:10 AM	By keeping Hardy in the minors exactly 20 days, the Brewers pushed back his free agency until after the 2011 season, making him more palatable in a trade. Whether this was intentional or not, I find it hard to believe that all we could get it Gomez. Presuming we drop Cam, this looks like a salary dump to pay for pitching. I really thought we could have gotten more for JJ (pitching or not) (We) have been patiently waiting in line: Watching everyone pass (us) by: And I can't seem to figure out: When is it going to be (our) turn.:......So why don't (we) make (our) turn today ~Hoobastank
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yoshii8		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 827 November 6, 2009 11:10 AM	I'm shocked that we didn't get pitching for Hardy, but he has to have some big upside if he was the main guy in the Johan Santana deal, right?
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Teatoe993		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 478 November 6, 2009 11:10 AM	Please let the day end by us picking up Looper's option and signing Washburn to a six year deal.
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Invader3K		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6765 November 6, 2009 11:14 AM	My guess is Melvin had been calling around and found there wasn't that much demand for Hardy. I have a blog! Revel in the mediocrity! The Mase Place!
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bklynbrewcrew		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1496 November 6, 2009 11:15 AM	Explain to me why we would trade for a guy whose main offensive attribute is speed when he cant even get on base. Also why would we trade for speed when Macha doesnt let anyone run. JJ Hardy had to have more value than this. You must get a pitcher in return for Hardy, even a guy like Morrow who at least has upside. This is by far the worst trade Melvin has ever made.
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The Truth		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 134 November 6, 2009 11:15 AM	"Carlos brings to our club great speed, athleticism and energy at a position that we needed to fill," said Melvin. "His defense will serve as a key component to us improving our pitching. At only 24 years of age, Carlos can further develop the offensive aspect of his game and give us a different look to our lineup." He is a fantastic defensive outfielder. He had a .997 fielding percentage as a full-time starter in '08. Once considered the top prospect in the Mets system, part of the Johan Santana trade. This is no Tony Gwynn Jr here... That said, I'm shocked we couldn't get more for Hardy. Evidently either we Brewers fans greatly over-value JJ Hardy or Doug Melvin is over-the-hill.
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ryne100		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 490 November 6, 2009 11:17 AM	Invader3K wrote: My guess is Melvin had been calling around and found there wasn't that much demand for Hardy. It's November 6th there's still time.
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chuckiehacks		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 508 November 6, 2009 11:17 AM	While its nice to have money to spend on pitching, there in nothing in DM's history that gives me any confidence about how he's going to spend it. I don't think this makes us players for Lackey (and I'm not sure I'd want us to be). Maybe it gives us some flexibility in picking up a contract in a trade, but who is out there, on the trade block, with a big contract? Derek Lowe? I really thought Hardy would fetch a minor league pitcher, maybe even one with some upside. Now it looks like we're going to have to get two pitchers in free agency, which means that one of the two will probably be a Mulder-type reclaimation project. Not the start to the off-season I wanted. It doesn't seem fair that the Chorizo has to race in a sombrero. --Jeff Tweedy
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PrinceEatMeat		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 578 November 6, 2009 11:18 AM	I would have to think that Melvin is targeting someone in free agency with the money that would've been spent on Cam, and possibly the money that Looper would be getting.
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joepepsi		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3058 November 6, 2009 11:20 AM	It frees up a lot of cash. That has to be considered the underlying point of the deal. If they decline Looper's option that makes about $20 million to use elsewhere. Add in the $20 million they'll be free of after 2010 when Suppan and Hall are off the books, and the team has a lot more flexibility than they did going into the 2009 season. Hopefully that's used for a difference making pitcher or to extend Prince. "We're the big-big-wowowow-look-how-far-i-can-hit-a-ball-moron-brewers. It's our identity".-- holybannana 7/31//08
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Flood Pants		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 20 November 6, 2009 11:20 AM	I think we need to waive the "no cuss" rule for this thread. Not only is the centerfield position being severely downgraded, but Cameron will likely be replaced by a pitcher who won't contribute as many wins to the club as he will. Here's to another losing season... We need to find the malicious alien being who laid eggs in Melvin's brain and kill him.
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DocLuna7		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 309 November 6, 2009 11:21 AM	I am absolutely shocked right now. What??
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clancyphile		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7935 November 6, 2009 11:23 AM	It's official... Macha and Doug Melvin managed to do WORSE than the Broncos did in the Cutler fiasco. ARRRGHHH!!!!!!!!! -- A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.
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jlau20		#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1379 November 6, 2009 11:23 AM	Somewhat shocking...I'm sure 99% of us thought that it would be a pitcher on the other end of a Hardy trade, regardless of who it would have been based on how much other teams think JJ can get close to those numbers from a couple years ago. I think most of us thought JJ being gone was all but a forgone conclusion...just not for Carlos Gomez.
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brewizard		#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 955 November 6, 2009 11:25 AM	Yuck. Melvin Melvin Melvin. Mishandled Hardy. Got junk. Methinks Hardy will rebound nicely for Twins next year. Good luck to him. Here comes Escobar...
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kramnoj		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1552 November 6, 2009 11:26 AM	This is no doubt disappointing. Maybe Melvin has spent the last month testing the waters with Hardy and this is the best he could get. I would be surprised if that's true, but maybe it is. I would be less disappointed if the Brewers didn't have a couple of CF prospects that could be ready in 2011 or 2012. Getting a return of Gomez when he could be replaced in a year doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and then the Brewers would be in a position of possibly selling low again a year from now. I was sure that Hardy would have more trade value. Not a #2 starter as some had hoped, but I think I would prefer a cheap #4 starter over Gomez. Maybe teams are holding on so much to pitching that even that wasn't possible.
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Tailgat0r76		#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 807 November 6, 2009 11:27 AM	clancyphile wrote: It's official... Macha and Doug Melvin managed to do WORSE than the Broncos did in the Cutler fiasco. ARRRGHHH!!!!!!!!! The Bronco's are 6-1; I wouldn't hate an outcome like that...
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Invader3K		#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6766 November 6, 2009 11:27 AM	joepepsi wrote: It frees up a lot of cash. That has to be considered the underlying point of the deal. If they decline Looper's option that makes about $20 million to use elsewhere. Add in the $20 million they'll be free of after 2010 when Suppan and Hall are off the books, and the team has a lot more flexibility than they did going into the 2009 season. Hopefully that's used for a difference making pitcher or to extend Prince. This is making me think more and more that they either make a very aggressive play for John Lackey (though I think he'll end up as a Yankee), or extend Prince Fielder. I would be happy with either. I have a blog! Revel in the mediocrity! The Mase Place!
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wibadgers23		#39	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1344 November 6, 2009 11:29 AM	Wow, what a bizarre trade. I was 99.9% sure that Hardy would be traded for pitching, not a CF. It frees up a lot of money to sign a pitcher now, but the free agent market for pitchers isn't exactly stellar this year. So I wonder what the batting order will look like. Gomez leading off followed by Weeks?
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jerichoholicninja.lambeauleap		#40	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15 November 6, 2009 11:31 AM	Could the money saved be intended for a Fielder mega-extension?
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